this is a network business and move those customers that maybe are going on ba, aa, or united out of newark on o. to the delta large system. and that's the opportunity it has. and conversely people here that want to come to the states or the big network delta has to get people to points beyond i think for virgin to be part of a transaction here, you get the united states market which is a large market. >> you have sink more airlines which would sell, sky team with delta and sort of ba, aa team, as well, how are those three global shaping up, who is winning? >> well, i'm partial to sky team. sky team and united alliance are far ahead of all the other alliances. and you look at profitability, let's step backwards and look at profitability in the united states market which is are large markets, you have united and delta leading the pack. so those are the two -- >> an interesting concept for me for american airlines because they spent -- you take the last 30 year, how much have they spent in chapter 11? i often ask myself if you're not southwest for the legacy carrier, is it actually a viable b